Post by clr Post by Jim Mitchell
That would put it in a slightly different perspective, I guess. But when it
boils down to it that's still about making as much money as possible in as
short a period of time as possible. It's not as if he wouldn't still make
money hand over fist in better-suited venues.
but he doesn't want to raise ticket prices (clearly, or he would
have), and the shows are exhausting for them.
Post by Jim Mitchell
And to put it bluntly, the
financial well-being of a rock and roll band, even the E Street Band, is not
something that's really going to move me one way or the other.
but it's their job... that's how they make money. that's what they
They've done that job for years, and made at least Bruce a very wealthy
person. They've always managed to do that without something as blatantly
manipulative as this leg of the tour. Bruce's job, from the perspective of
his fans, is to perform his heart out with the integrity, passion and
creativity we've come to expect from him. I'm not saying he's stopped doing
that by any stretch, but stadium shows, announced in a crafty manner to
maximize sales, don't seem to me to be Bruce at his highest artistic form.
It's all relative, though- arena shows, which by comparison seem like
acoustically perfect symphonies, aren't as good as smaller theaters.
Smaller theaters aren't as good as jazz clubs. Jazz clubs aren't as good as
my backyard. But I still feel that there's something better than stadiums.
Post by clr
the problem is that he set this bar for himself many many years ago,
and we'll never let him live it down, won't we? even if he plays an
industry average show, or above industry average, even if the ticket
prices aren't anywhere near what he could charge, with all the things
he COULD do, and *doesn't* do...
This is a good point. Is it fair to judge Bruce by higher standards than
you would other artists? Is he forever doomed to strive for that high bar,
even when it becomes literally physically impossible? Well, to a degree,
yes. I expect consistency from my favorite restaurants, TV shows, novelists
and sports teams. While a live performer is obviously allowed much more
flexibility depending on their physical ability and the context of their
music, Bruce's a significant reputation is based on his flawless live
performances. My disappointment with the stadium show isn't such that I'd
say this has been completely compromised. But it's still not heading in a
direction that I like...
Post by clr
i don't know what my invisible border is for bruce to cross before i
get fed up. for me with the who, it was the $192.50 per ticket price
on the last tour. i saw that - combined with "overture" being in the
fucking clarinex commercial and "WGFA" in the nissan commercial
(overture i could live with, but WGFA??? *that* song? and
"bargain"????? i guess if it bothers me it should bother me but those
two songs in particular bothered me given what they were).
if john hadn't left this earth (and can i ask for some kindness here,
you may think he's a fuckwit and i do too, but it's like criticizing a
family member for me), i would not have gone, and i would have been
fine with that. and i didn't go to any more shows on that tour. the
line was crossed. i still love that band immensely, they are part of
me and a huge part of who i am, but it's kind of like - as a friend
put it - i finally broke up with pete.
Cancelling their St. Louis and Cleveland shows put them on my shit list.
Sales weren't that bad, and they only allowed a few weeks.
Post by clr
i don't know what it would take for me to feel that way about bruce.
i guess it's one of those "i'll know it when i see it" things. and as
i get older, i find myself feeling less extreme about some things (and
more extreme about others), and perhaps a tad more benevolent. i
still think bruce's heart is in the right place. if i EVER felt that
was no longer the case, i would probably be waving goodbye.
maybe i'm stupid. maybe i'm foolish. i don't know. i just don't see
the stadium shows in the same evil light as most of the rest of yas.
yes, it is about making money, but this is their job and this is what
they do. make some money.
not making sense any more.
Or maybe you're just not as prone to bitching and moaning as me and some of
us. That's not stupid or foolish. I don't see the stadiums as an artistic
evil, but I do see them as a step down from Bruce's usual standards. Maybe
announcing a bulk of the tour at once would redeem them somewhat for me-
wouldn't feel like they're stringing the audience out as much, especially
for the northeast shows. I know I'll get plenty of lectures that what
they're doing makes perfect business sense. But lots of stuff done in the
name of "good business" rubs people the wrong way.
Post by clr